ATF MUST be disbanded. Like I said, accuracy is important in reporting, and their initial report was false in fact, even if it was correct in character. Troy Industries is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. One sawed-off shotgun. Please send your own email to them. Feel free to throw it in my fire pit. I realize it’s splitting hairs, but accuracy in reporting is important, right? I picked up a used b5 with the money from the old stock sale and I picked up a nib carrier used for 25 and this this has ran like a champ. I will argue that it does not matter. The Troy 223 National is a handy, well-made rifle that is reliable and fun to shoot. TROY I WILL LOOK ELSEWHERE FOR MY PARTS. I think this whole “no, it was Wenger who said that” is just a red herring. It’s no wonder this jack-booted thug, Troy, is in lock-step with another member of the Blue Wall. Ruby Ridge should have never happened. In light of the latest update to this story at gunssavelife, it seems that they are both correct and incorrect in the statements they made. What The Hell’s The Problem With Troy Industries? Next Troy will hire OJ Simpson to run the knife department. The door was open and she was behind it, visibility through the door was a major part of the argument. Related Products. They should have known far better about proper conduct and shooting the unarmed than would a conscript of Georgian England. : tied up or otherwise incapacitated. Curiously, neither I nor anyone else has any proof. I also know that playing games with public money is illegal for both the government vendor, and the government employee. Then the issue of Mr. Monroe popped up and you deleted his page from your website, then the entire instructor roster (who else are you hiding on the payroll over at Troy Assymetric?). Well, there’s a company that lost my business for the foreseeable future. That is the most important aspect. What a couple of shining examples of courage and bravery, right? WTF is THAT? May take away is as I stated previously above: There was no firefight. These additional layers of transparency you have recently provided us illustrate just what your company is comprised of – JBT FILTH. So TI hired one of the most monstrous MyaccaFrackers in the history of federal “law enforcement”. Troy A4 "Other" AR type firearm - 9mm, - SOLD OUT - check back here for when more arrive. Hell I like Samson products better than Troy Industries gear. If the door was closed, how were the men running through it? A woman with her baby, I thought it was wrong then and still do today. And in the name of WHAT, exactly? The Precision Rifle Mount is milled from a solid 12 lb bar stock. DAMN, Ralph… I need to get a gross of keyboards. Troy Industries delivers uncompromising innovation through unrivaled experience—with their trademarked BattleReady equipment, designed for maximum performance in even the most extreme conditions. But refusing to refuse an order does not make one a criminal. Don’t purchase items/services from them. All this over a illegal weapons charge. They took the action, they should damn well face the consequences for it. Wearing a SWAT or FBI uniform doesn’t earn my unconditional respect. Heck, lazy politicians cause crime, not guns dammit. 413-788-4610 Fax That defies rationality. They’re probably gonna hire Feinstien as an instructor, Holder to help sell their products, and Bloomberg to give their safety briefings. And I won’t buy Troy anything when they have a statist assassin on the payroll. He made a bad shot that killed someone innocence, justified it and appears to continue to do so. The first two made it in, with the teenage daughter stopping just inside the door. That’s why they’re held to a different standard. Yes, that was war, but the un-intended consequences are the same. It means he did his job.”. That seems like a petty consequence for someone who practically seems eager to snipe an unarmed woman in cold blood as she carries a baby. Cops here are always getting the address wrong and killing innocent people, nothing ever happens to them. I don’t like the idea of giving the enemy any money, but being trained in their techniques so you can counter them may be useful. I hope not, because you and that officer would both be getting courts martial. Somebody stop the world. But I would certainly at least question where they stand on the 2A issues and expect some sort of statement of values. Sell it and give the money to a homeless family. “Really? If a superior officer ordered you to shoot a prisoner in cold blood would you simply do it? I will buy nothing from Troy until they’re rid of this guy. Ive worn the uniform too, and I know full good and well that following an illegal order is still illegal. First they announced (since removed from their web site) the hiring of former Chicago police commissioner Jody Weis by their subsidiary, Troy Asymmetric.Yes, Troy intended to add an anti-RKBA Daly administration lackey who lost the confidence of his own department to their staff as an instructor. We have reviewed the 1995 Ruby Ridge Congressional testimony and found at 1:42:35 of the taping, it is indeed Ed Wenger who says he would have shot, had Special Agent Horiuchi not shot first. Then again, it did take them 5 months to send me a battlemag. Come to think of it, in addition to boycotting the brand and its retailers, and associated manufacturers, I want to know which mutual funds, banks, and other aggregated investment funds include this company in their portfolio -and boycott them too! They’re the troops! That’d be enough. Mike, that is just wrong. Troy, throughout this entire mess, you folks have been hiding and obfuscating. I stumbled across this by accident while looking for troy parts for my DPMS. Later, further investigation found a person in that hut who was most likely killed by that bullet. Snipers are put in place told to shoot on sight if anyone has a gun, all the males do. They were mostly Feds, not cops. This is ridiculous. you either accept civilian casualties as the price of armed conflict, or you don’t. There’s a wee bit of a difference between shooting someone in the heat of a firefight, and deliberately shooting at people who aren’t shooting, are not, in fact, presenting any immediate threat at all. No, but trying to ruin a guys career with internet blogs sure is. Personally, I cannot fault either Horiuchi or Monroe for their actions during the firefight. ABSOLUTELY. I have not shopped at Dicks since. The SBA4 brace is the newest variation of braces for the AR-15 that SB Tactical makes currently. http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/67153-1. You should be ashamed and loose your ass to say the least. And the odds get worst in a firefight. Hope you’re listening Troy.. 41. You are comparing apples to oranges. Monroe was involved in bad juju,” gunssavelife.com has the basic storyline correct. “What?” At Omaha Outdoors, purchase Troy 5.56 from a trusted source. The Troy Defense A4 Pistol was developed with today's war fighter and LE Official in mind The AR-15 pistol has gained popularity over the last several years due to the fact that it is a more compact maneuverable package that just about anyone can shoot. Thanks TTAG, that info will keep me sending my money to people who support murderers. Geeze, whats it up to now? Dale R. Monroe, the partner of FBI hostage rescue team leader Lon Horiuchi – who fired the fatal shot – said he was preparing to fire but didn’t only because Horiuchi fired first. That’s like me saying, “I know Bob robbed the Circle K because the LA Times told me so,” while there is actual video of John robbing the store. Randy Weaver eventually won a $3 million judgement against the government but that won’t bring back his wife. Troy Defense, the firearms division of Troy Industries, was created primarily to develop a submission to the U.S. military’s improved carbine program. And here I was ready to buy some Troy sights. Whether you use it in an exterminating capacity or just to ventilate tin cans, I think you’ll find the Troy A4 a capable, fun little gun to shoot. In the grand tradition of HS Precision’s hiring of Ruby Ridge sniper Lon Horiuchi as a spokesman, it turns out Troy Asymmetric had pretty much the same idea. But a guy who was in a bad shoot almost 20 years ago, under orders, we have to ruin his career in a career field that has defined him?How are we ever going to be seen as the rational side in the debate on guns if we engage in petty crap like this? gunssavelife.com attributed the statement to Mr. Monroe that “he would have taken the shot, if Mr. Horiuchi had not shot first.” Video from the hearings shows that it was not Mr. Monroe that made that statement, it was Mr. Wenger. I dont know Troy, or their employees. No wonder try products are so expensive, they have to spend a ton of money on toilet paper for the giant a**holes they’ve hired. I don’t understand. Monroe would have shot at the man “at that time”. There are no reviews yet. Ignoring the fact that he was firing at a wounded, unarmed, fleeing man for a second… NOBODY involved with such a disgraceful cowardice act should be allowed anywhere near gun manufactures of any type. The simply do not value human life over their own careers or egos. Any “tough guy” with a toy badge better keep that in mind every time they deal with their employer, the American people. The individual makes their own decision that’s ultimately connected to their fate. Taking down the names of the instructors is the kind of crap Bush and Obama did/do. The boys father, 16 year old sister and the family friend wend out to see the body before ot decayed further. The 5.56 Carbine is being sold in either a “pre-ban” or “post-ban” version. When the guy is wrong you – stop him, arrest him, or shoot him. A long time ago I met Weaver’s (hot) daughter at a gun show. Lon Horiuchi executed Randy Weaver’s wife as she held a newborn baby during the Ruby Ridge siege. Screw his career, even if it was a long time ago. Ouch, hate to see a well-intentioned company that makes good products make a bad move like this, and the ever-hungry shark tank of Interweb tactical expert/critics live for this kind of thing. Attempting to excuse the murder of an unarmed woman clearly holding a baby, because the shooter was ordered to, is beyond weak, and compounds the tragedy. Enough is enough with the notion that because you have a badge you are somehow exempt. Mar 1, 2013, Stay in the know with the latest from the Tactical-Life newsletter, Walther PDP Full Size: New 18+1 Capacity Pistol Built to Use Red Dot, SIG P320 MAX: Sig Sauer Unveils 22-Round Pistol Inspired by Max Michel, That Time a Trainee Dropped an M67 Frag Grenade in a Training Bunker, Jeff Quinn Memorial GP100: Ruger Honors Late Gunblast.com Creator, Tactical Life Gun Magazine: Gun news, gun reviews and gun magazines for gun enthusiasts, military and law enforcement, You use of this website constitutes and manifests your acceptance of our. [10] When Weaver refused to become “a snitch,” the ATF filed the gun charges in June 1990, also claiming Weaver was a bank robber with criminal convictions (those claims were false: at that time Weaver had no criminal record and the subsequent Senate investigation found: “Weaver was not a suspect in any bank robberies.”[10]) Weaver denied the sawed-off weapons charge, claiming that the informant had purchased two legal shotguns from him and later shortened the guns.”. All right, I have four Troy mags. The only return fire in the whole ‘operation’ is when camo-clad agents startled the sons by shooting their dog. “Just following orders” is no excuse, Mr. Which deserves to be legal, obviously. the TROY SPC A4 offers durable accessories that TROY is know for: TROY Front and Rear Folding BattleSights, TROY SOCC M-LOK Rail. We do hope you will take the time to review all of the available materials on Ruby Ridge and Dale Monroe, and welcome your comments, as they will most certainly help us to reach a final, informed decision. A4 “other firearm” 5.56 $ 1,299.00 TROY’s A4 “other firearm” meets NJ legal compliance and features the SBA3 5-position adjustable brace, TROY Front and Rear Folding BattleSights™, TROY SOCC M-LOK BattleRail, TROY Poly CQB FVG – Mandatory and TROY Control Pistol Grip, TROY … We’re weighing a difficult decision with many facets and things to consider. If you’ve never worn a uniform, you might not understand why Monroe was in the situation he was in, but if you have worn a uniform, you know how it is to follow orders in a fluid situation. (LA Times via The Tech – Sept. 15, 1995) – FBI snipers Thursday defended their actions at the 1992 Ruby Ridge siege where a white separatist’s wife was killed, contending that danger to an FBI observation helicopter from armed men outside the separatist’s cabin justified opening fire. My father and I got the honor to shake weaver’s hand while I was there. This is not the military we’re talking about, the very LEAST say he had was “I QUIT!”. Read and be educated. A higher standard absolutely applies in a civilian occupation. Intent follows the bullet. Don’t burn it. Why would any rifle company hire two people who are most famous for choking their shot when the time counts? There are quite a few legal loopholes being exploited by clever manufacturers (thankfully). Troy Industries, Inc I gave no shits about civilian casualties there. The boy’s mother opened the door for them holding her infant daughter. Eventually they bring back the body of the murdered young boy and put him in a shed close to the front door. No! “He vas just following das orders”. Not bloody likely!!!! (As if he would otherwise be innocent if it weren’t for getting caught.). Think I will look at the Yankee Hill one now. The pressure to tow the line and back up the stories of your fellow officers is huge and who knows what he was threatened with. I won’t persecute him for doing his job. The people that the FBI HRT hire are rejects from police and Sheriff departments. Troy Industries makes a good product but it also comes with MA kind of baggage. I now feel like taking all of my troy industries stuff which I have thousands of $$ of and throwing it in my fire pit. Indeed. Everything I’ve seen & read on the incident says she was holding the door open and was plainly visible. For purposes of clarity, I consent to Athlon's collection, storage, processing, and transfer of my Personal Data and Non-Personal Data (as defined in the Privacy Policy) for the purpose of signing up for the email newsletter. Lon Horiuchi killed that woman holding a baby. Horiuchi and Monroe tried to kill two men who were ultimately acquitted of wrongdoing, except for some minor charges against Randy Weaver. If people follow the corrupt and fear no consequence for their actions then do you think they will stop following the corrupt? We are still reviewing Mr. Monroe’s relationship with Troy Asymmetric and are looking in to the claims that are being made online. Ruining someone’s career? Troy makes a solid rifle IMO. Well, go ahead and ask them. . He displayed he has zero respect for integrity, life, or liberty. I picked this up during the black friday deal for 600 and immediately sold the goofy heavy ass club foot stock. The SBA4 is a much more robust and stiffer brace than other SB Tactical braces like the SBA3 or PDW brace. I too would love to hear his opinion. But the truth is that a woman’s life was taken and the whole issue swept under the rug like it never happened. Be the first to review “TROY 10″ A4 Pistol with SBA3 Brace” Cancel reply. Hell, I highly doubt that general Gage would’ve ordered or taken the shot. To contact Dale or our other world-class instructors, call 413-788-4213 or use our contact form found here. Cops deal with their masters on American soil. You can buy Troy 5.56 online with confidence at the best price on our website. So they took a $1,000 (retail) COTS product, which is already available as a Magpul -accessorized variant for the same price), and added a few hundred bucks worth of marginal parts, and … I wonder who’s getting a kooshy reward job in a few years from this. But refusing to refuse an order does not make one a criminal. Irrespective of their nuanced announcement – we can’t believe they would trumpet their excitement about bringing Jody Weis on board as an instructor if it wasn’t a done deal – we’re glad he’s gone and pleased we had a hand in wrecking his new job in the private sector. One of our regular readers did some digging of his own and did a little research on another new member (at least until tomorrow?) PERIOD. See good deals, great deals and more on Used Audi A4 in Troy, AL. My first comment was written prior to the second update, and my second comment (obviously) after it. Though Troy firearm accessories are generally outdated, and over-priced, and less costly and superior alternatives abound, somehow magically the long-ailing and equally behind the technology curve Colt Defense was contracted by the FBI to build custom LE6920’s with Troy accessories ( adding -FBP1 to the model number), and (get this) to give to all their agents for personal use! 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